Trygve Bauge, the grandson of Bredo Moerstol, whose grandfather is packed in ice in Nederland, recently discussed his wishes for Moerstol with The Mountain-Ear through email and a zoom meeting from Norway.

After The Frozen Dead Guy Days festival relocated from Nederland to Estes Park, he said he would like his grandfather Bredo to be stored cryogenically, in the best possible way, at the best possible cryonics facility, until he can be cloned and a younger genetic twin can be created by using his DNA fragments to create a map of his DNA. Then, using genetic engineering to modify DNA from a live person to create live DNA that matches his grandfather’s DNA, viable DNA can be cloned by already established cloning techniques. (Editor’s note: The cloning of human beings has never been approved anywhere.)

“Bredo should have been in a cryonic facility,” Bauge claimed. “He was the second person outside of the United States ever frozen.”

“It was not ideal. I built a fire-proof, earthquake-proof, and storm-proof residence in Nederland, Colorado. The plan was to build a nuclear war-proof cryogenics facility, and grandpa wouldn’t have been stored in a Tuff Shed where the body is stored now.” The property he purchased in Nederland is to be used for cryogenics and the revival of his mother, grandfather, and him.

“Cloning hadn’t taken place when my grandfather was frozen, but we will in the future be able to create live cells with DNA matching the DNA from frozen mammoths and put it in a pregnant elephant and what comes out is a wooly mammoth. They can in the future clone grandpa and make cloning possible for others.”

“Everyone in Nederland and Colorado lost out when I was kicked out,” he said.

“My focus has been on how to improve society as such so that those that want to survive easier can survive. I want to shelter not just myself but the individual liberty, the entrepreneurial liberty and the high-tech society, without all of which we can’t greatly extend human life expectancy,” Bauge added.

“My grandfather is a pilot case that might help bring about younger genetic twins of still more of us,” he said.

Bauge said he started out by being in favor of the universal inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of personal happiness, with a scientific mind, with a sense of happiness and that life is good, and the goal to prolong and expand personal life.

“At some point I will die. I will have a prepared trail with cryonics, but that is not a goal. It is only a means to potentially longer personal life.”

Bauge said the Frozen Dead Guy Days festival exists because of him. He came to Boulder in 1980, and in the spring of 1983, Boulder had only one person ice bathing, and he got more residents involved. While in Boulder, he organized ice bathing competitions that annually got worldwide media coverage.

He would cut a hole in the ice and ice-bathe in Boulder Reservoir, Boulder Canyon, and near Nederland. His longest time in the freezing water was one hour and five minutes.

He received media coverage for ice bathing and an annual New Years Day dip festival he had at Boulder Reservoir, repeatedly setting the world record for ice bathing. Then he was deported for refusing to apply for passports, visas, and the general amnesty he qualified for.

The publicity kept up, with film crews visiting Nederland each year, and in 2002 the local chamber of commerce cashed in on the publicity by starting the Frozen Dead Guy Days festival. The festivals are a result of media coverage, Bauge said.

Grandpa liked festivals too. In 1967, he retired as head of the Parks Division in Baerum, Norway, and during his career organized an annual midsummer festival still going on there.

Bauge said the Frozen Dead Guys festival had gotten too big, with 20,000 people last year in Nederland. Estes Park has more facilities. He recommended cooperation between Estes Park and Nederland for the festival.

The new festival owners, he suggested, should focus on building a cryonics facility that will survive forest fires. The plan had originally been to build a facility in Nederland.

As with ice bathing and festival participation, one can always increase the attendance fees to make the crowds more manageable, he said, until larger venues able to handle more participants are developed.

Bauge is having weekly phone meetings or zoom calls with John Cullen, the owner of the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park. They are trying to transform an old icehouse there into a museum. He should know more, he said, the week after Easter, as to who will operate a cryonic museum at the old icehouse at the Stanley Hotel. The group is currently working on several options.